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The Boundaries of Libertarianism?

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  • #11034
    Cameron
    Cameron_Ventura
    Participant

    Hello Friends and Liberty Folk,

    I have been interested in the Liberty movement since about the time that John Kasich dropped out of the 2016 running and Gary Johnson made his debut on my truck’s bumper stickers. I have done quite a lot since then – and I’ve learned even more.

    Through my introduction to people like Thomas Paine, Austin Petersen, and Friedrich Hayek – I’ve got some questions.

    I’ve seen some loud L’s constantly berating people who aren’t 100% bought in to the whole “Taxation is Theft” / Disband every governmental program / Who needs any regulations – – – type of libertarianism. My question and the instigator for this post – is to see where the Learn Liberty folk would draw the line for what is necessary to be considered to fall under the banner. I’d love to see some personal lists of what would be necessary to be considered a Libertarian. I can only imagine that some would just say “love liberty” while others will have a ten or twenty bullet pointed list. Either is fine – – just trying to get a better idea!

  • #11087

    Xerographica
    Participant

    Anarcho-capitalists (ACs) don’t believe that the government has any scope. Therefore, they aren’t libertarians. Libertarians believe in a small scope of government. If somebody believes in a medium scope of government then they are a liberal. If they believe in a large scope of government then they are a socialist.

    Personally, I am none of the above. I am a pragmatarian. I believe that taxpayers should be able to choose where their taxes go.

    It really boils down to how we can determine the social value of things. For a libertarian, the Visible Hand (VH) can correctly determine the social value of defense, courts and police… but it can’t correctly determine the social value of education, healthcare and environmental protection.

    Like ACs, I’m extremely skeptical of the VH’s ability to correctly determine the social value of anything. But unlike ACs, I recognize that the free-rider problem can hinder the ability of the Invisible Hand (IH) to correctly determine social value.

    Since you’re here, I can reasonably guess that you value this website’s effort to teach people about markets. But I can also reasonably guess that, because of the free-rider problem, the amount of money that you donate to this website is less than your valuation of its effort. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Because if we don’t know the social value of milk then we can’t determine the optimal amount of resources that should be used to produce milk.

    Lots of ACs refer to themselves as libertarians. Doing so makes communication difficult…

    Bob: I’m a libertarian
    Me: The problem with believing in a limited scope of the VH is…
    Bob: *interrupts* Oh, I don’t believe that the VH has any scope.
    Me: So you’re an AC?
    Bob: Yeah
    Me: So why didn’t you say so in the first place?
    Bob: Because I wanted to waste your time.

  • #11199
    Norman
    Norm
    Participant

    Anarchists are libertarians but not all libertarians are anarchists. I line your idea of letting taxpayers decide where there money goes I bet we would have less w ad and less corporate weed fare and more effective help for the poor plus better health care and education,

  • #11200
    Norman
    Norm
    Participant

    My limits test are no welfare, peace and free trade, and social toleranceSs.

    Ibelive our top priories are ending f the fed or at least responded its power via a more transparent policy and completion i. Currency, repealing Obamacare, no more war, repealing he PATRIOT Act and the surveleicbe state, and protecting free speech

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